abgetr. Diskussion Grenztruppen & Mauermodalitäten

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    Ich habe mir das Video zwar nicht angeschaut, will aber nur mal meinen Senf zu Deinem Beißreflex loswerden:

    Ich musste zwar nicht an der Grenze dienen, hatte aber zur Ende der DDR meinen „Dienst an der Waffe“ geleistet. Einige meiner Freunde – insbesondere die, die sich nicht schnell genug freiwillig für drei Jahre gemeldet hatten, waren jedoch an der Grenze. Alle mussten wir uns beim nächtlichen Wachdienst die Frage stellen, was man machen würde, wenn jetzt einer käme. Und das haben wir gemacht, ich bin heute noch dankbar, dass ich nie in die Verlegenheit kam, außerhalb vom Schießplatz die Waffe zu benutzen.

    Als junge Kerle waren wir vom Kindergarten an indoktriniert mit Stories über böse CIA Agenten usw. Außerdem war ja für uns das DDR-System von Grund auf gut, weil es das Wohl der Masse über das der Einzelnen stellte. Kaum einer war aus heutiger Sicht so „moralisch“, dass er zu den Spatensoldaten ging. Ich war z.B. dabei, als einer, der nicht gerade systemkonform war, beim normalen Wachdienst in der Kaserne beinahe einen Kameraden erschossen hätte, der zu früh zur Ablösung kam (der Schuss, der ein paar Zentimeter neben den Kopf einschlug, wurde dann vertuscht als Schuss auf ein Wildschwein). Wenn ich (unterstellt ein US-Justizsystem) Geschworener wäre, könnte ich daher keinen der Mauerschützen verurteilen.

    Dass die Mauerschützen besonders perfide oder böse waren, passt den heutigen Gutmenschen natürlich gut in ihren Kram. Dabei übersehen sie allerdings die „Banalität des Bösen“. In Rahmenbedingungen, in denen Menschen von einer höheren Autorität zu Handlungen ermutigt werden, die sie aus eigenem Antrieb vielleicht nicht machen würden, entscheiden sich die überwiegende Mehrheit der Menschen dazu, „mitzumachen“ und ggf. noch einen draufzusetzen.

    Wissenschaftlich wurde dies übrigens in den berühmten Milgram Experimenten untersucht. Deren Ziel war nach dem Krieg bei Deutschen ein Nazi-Gen nachzuweisen, indem man untersuchen wollte, wieviel ethischer ein durchschnittlicher Amerikaner handeln würde. Wir kannten das Milgram Experiment und sein Fazit ("Die extreme Bereitschaft von erwachsenen Menschen, einer Autorität fast beliebig weit zu folgen…“) nicht.

    Wer sich für ethisch herausragend hält, sollte dies lesen:

    Dieser Link ist für Dich nicht sichtbar.
     
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